August 2001

WEB SITE: http://www.qsl.net/miarc                e-mail: miarc@yahoogroups.com

A short note from the Prez……….. 

Greetings one and all. First of all, I would like to address the situation concerning the TDS’s. Many of you have sent in TDS’s that were ether renewals or changes to your repeaters. Many of you have also noticed that on the Website that you might be in the Red, showing that your TDS is due. This is not the case. The program for that portion of the Website automatically changes the site if the Database Manager does not update it.

The reason for the delay stems back to last year. The last six months we were without a Coordinator. At the December, 2000 meeting, Wallace Murray agreed to fill the position. He was already behind due to nothing being done prior to him taking over. Now comes the New Year, and all the renewals, let alone the out of state request, and he still is trying to get out of the hole. So please be patient until he gets caught up. 

The September meeting will be our Annual meeting in Lansing, at the Lansing - Lions of Michigan State Office on the 9th, due to the Labor Day weekend being the first weekend. At this meeting, there will be elections for the office of Vice-President, Treasurer, and a Director position. Elsewhere in the newsletter, you will find a ballot that you may use if you are unable to attend the meeting. This ballot must reach the P.O. Box no later then Saturday the 8th in order to counted. Please mark BALLOT on the envelope. Nominations will be opened at the meeting preceding the election.  

Just a reminder the December will be held in Oakland County at the EOC office on the 2nd. Directions will be in the newsletter, or log on to MARC’s website. 

If anyone has any questions, you can reach the Board via of the website, or my phone number is 810-465-7126. For those of making the meeting on the September 9th , I’ll see you there. 

73,                           Dennis, W8DFG                      President


Database Manager / Webmaster’s Corner


The MARC database has been updated with 39 renewal TDS in addition to the regular activity of recording dues, email, and address and phone number changes.


I produced an update of the web site Repeater Directory and the Officers, Meetings and Newsletter pages.


The latest Repeater Directory shows that roughly half the 404 repeaters listed have an Annual Renewal Update TDS due. If you have submitted a renewal TDS that has not been processed and posted to the database your entry on the website will show red. The source of the repeater directory is the database, and it is built by a program that checks to see if the last TDS on record is two or more years old. Once your TDS has been processed the database and the repeater directory will be updated and you will be back “in the black”.     


As of July 26 a backlog in TDS’s remains, but your frequency coordinator and I are  making progress.


Website TDS Submissions in processing:

·        49 Renewal/Modification Requests

·        33 New Coordination Requests


Paper TDS Submissions in processing: I requested information from Wallace but did not get a response in time for the newsletter.


For those members that will be submitting Paper and Website TDS forms:

Please fill out your forms completely.  Accurate, complete and legible TDS forms make the process of updates go faster.  Remember you may only have a few TDS’s to submit but your frequency coordinator and I have hundreds to process in the course of a year.  The review, recording and filing procedures we follow are strictly a manual effort, that when combined can easily consume an hour per TDS.  So be kind to us guys in the trenches.


Dave Johnson, WD8DJB



Director’s Note

Ron Gordon W8YUC presently  one of the director's of MARC will be in the running for reelection of director. Hope to see a big turnout .The last 2 years sure have went fast.
See ya there.
Ron Gordon W8YUC

MARC Treasurer’s Report 

If you want your vote to count in the September election, you must be a paid-up member of MARC. Dues are paid for the calendar year. Funds received during 2001 will apply for membership during this year. If you want to pre-pay your dues for future years, then please mark the form accordingly. 

On a secondary note, due to other commitments, I will not be a candidate for any MARC Board position this year. I have enjoyed serving on the board and found it to be a very interesting and educational experience. I want to thank everyone for this opportunity.  

MARC is continuing to move in the right direction and under its present board makeup will grow and be a significant presence for all repeater owners and operators. The support of everyone goes a long way to insure this action. 

Joel Goldberg, W8HIU

This article was submitted to the newsletter by Bruce Winchell N8UT. It originally appeared in the Indiana Repeater Council Newsletter. The Author was not listed.

FCC Says, “Tend to Your Coordination!”

Radio Amateurs may lose their co ordinations for failure to update. Recently, in the Seattle, Washington area, the coordination of a still-operating repeater was revoked for failure to update and a new repeater was coordinated on the same frequency. The FCC Field Office was consulted and after the FO checked with FCC Headquarters, they stated that the failure of the original coordination holder to “tend his coordination” means that the now uncoordinated repeater owner is responsible for resolving any resulting interference problems. (read “take it off the air” …ed) 

If you change your location or operating parameters, you must recoordinate (if possible) to maintain a valid coordination. The FCC has taken action regarding an uncoordinated repeater in New York. In this case the repeater was once coordinated but changed location thereby invalidating its coordination. Regarding this situation, Riley Hollingsworth of the FCC wrote: “Section 97.205 of the commission’s rules states that where there is interference between a coordinated repeater and an uncoordinated repeater, ‘the licensee of the uncoordinated repeater has primary responsibility to resolve the interference.’”

Minutes for MARC INC. Meeting of June 2, 2001


The Quarterly Meeting of MARC INC. was called to order By President Dennis Gaboury at 1 pm at the Hudsonville Fairgrounds.


The following board members were present, President Dennis Gaboury W8DFG, Director Ron Gordon W8YUC, Database Manager Dave Johnson WD8DJB, newly appointed Vice President Jim Maike KB8IFE, and Secretary Ron Huber N8JAZ. Thirty Hams were present.


The minutes from the March meeting in Bay City were read by N8JAZ.Included in those minutes was proposed bylaw change of eliminating the $4 coordination fee by Treasurer Joel Goldberg W8HIU.  A motion to accept as read was made by Director Gordon W8YUC and supported by W8IC and the motion carried.

President Gaboury in absence of Treasurer Goldberg read the Treasurer’s Report.

It was reported that the balance in savings was $3,478.69 and in checking $880.00.


Old Business 

Jim Maike KB8IFE has been appointed as Vice President. The proposed change in the bylaws regarding the elimination of the coordination fee was read by N8JAZ.


New Business

A request from Data Base Manager Dave Johnson WD8DJB that all T.D.S. be filled out correctly and double-checked for accuracy.


Elections will be held at the Lansing meeting on September 9, 2001. The following offices are up for election Vice President, Treasurer (Joel is not running), and one director. All nominations should be sent to Secretary Ron Huber N8JAZ before August 1 to be in the newsletter.


 Our Bylaws are available on the web site. The Bylaws Committee is working on 

standards and the survey results.


The September 9th meeting will probably be held the fire station in Lansing. The December meeting will be held at Oakland E.O.C.


The meetings for 2002: March Saginaw, June Grand Rapids, September Lansing, and December location is open.


 Please update any changes in your email or snail mail address, phone number or area code.


A motion to adjourn was made by W8HVG and supported by KB8MS. Meeting Adjourned.


Respectfully submitted          Ron Huber N8JAZ


Directions to September 9, 2001 Meeting in Lansing


From I-96 E or W take exit 104 to 1st red light, which is S. Pennsylvania, then go R (N) to next red light

Which is E. Miller Rd., then go R (E) about 300 ft. to Executive Dr., then go L (N) on Executive Dr.

To Lions of Michigan State Office – which is approximately 500 ft. on Left Side.

The Address is 5730 Executive Dr.  Lansing MI  48911



Marc Board of Directors



Dennis Gaboury


P.O. Box 463148

Mt. Clemens, MI 48046

Vice President

   Jim Maike




977 E. 8th St.

Box 27

White Cloud, MI  49349


Ron Huber


7135 Bradley Rd.

Saginaw, MI 48601


Joel Goldberg


6762 Red Cedar Lane

West Bloomfield, MI 48324

Immediate Past President

Kelly F. Karpp


4321 Bamfield Rd.

Glennie, MI  48737


Ron Gordon


7172 Sharp Rd.

Swartz Creek, MI  48473


Bill Kelly


17158 Hans Dr.

Fraser, Mi 48026




Wallace W. Murray


1403 S. Hill Rd.

Milford, MI 48381

Database Manager

Dave Johnson


2266 E. Vermontville Hwy

Charlotte, MI 48813





Membership Form




Name: _________________________________Call Sign: _______________________________

Address: __________________________________________ City: ________________________

State: _______________ Zip: _________________ Email: ________________________________

Day Phone: (___)________________________Night Phone: (___)_________________________

Club or Repeater Affiliation: _______________________________________________________

Check One [  ] Full Member ($15)   [  ] Associate Member ($7.50)

Newsletter [  ] Email or [  ] U.S. Mail.


Make checks out to MARC Inc.

Send to Joel Goldberg, W8HIU, 6762 Red Cedar Lane, West Bloomfield, MI. 48324



Please Remember to notify us of all email, USP address,

and telephone number changes.




Upcoming Meeting Schedule  


September 9, 2001


Lions of Michigan State Office  

December 2, 2001


Pontiac E.O.C.

March 2002



June 2002

Grand Rapids

September 2002


December 2002




Official Absentee Ballot


Please use this as your absentee ballot for the September elections. According to our Bylaws and Standards, your dues must be current 24 hours prior to the election date of September 9,2001.

Mail your ballots to P.O. Box 463148   Mt. Clemens, MI  48046 .Please clearly mark on the outside of your envelope your call sign and the word’s Election Ballot. That way they will only be opened at the election. 




Vice President


Jim Maike, KB8IFE  (incumbent)


Kelly Karpp, KB8RWG















Ron Gordon, W8YUC  (incumbent)







Please use the website TDS if possible, rather than the TDS form below,

 to improve readability and speed up processing.




The website form will display a copy of what you submit

so you can print a copy for your files.



Michigan Area Repeater Council Technical Data Sheet


Action Requested

New Coordination___ Reassignment ___ Modify Existing Coordination___ Renewal Update___


System Type

_____ Repeater _____ One Way Link _____ Two Way Link _____ Multi Location Link


Frequency Information

Band: ___________ Output Freq.: ___________ Input Freq.: _________ Control Freq.: _______


System Status

In Operation: ______ Will Be On By: __________ Not Used (return to frequency pool) _______


Sponsorship (Sponsor is the holder of the coordination)

Sponsor: _________________________Trustee: ___________________Station Call: __________


System Owner: _____________________________________________________________


System Information

City Identified With System: _________________________________________Return Form To:

Geographic Area Served: ______________________________________          Wallace Murray

County (transmitter located): _________________________________________KE8HR

Repeater Address: _________________________________________________1403 S Hill Rd.

Location Of Receiver If Different Than Above: ___________________________ Milford,MI.48381

Coordinates To The Nearest Second: Latitude: ________________ Latitude________________

Ground Elevation Above Sea Level (AMSL): __________________

Ant Height Above Ground: __________Height Above Average Terrain (HAAT): _______________

Date system was originally coordinated: ______/_______/_______

Michigan Coordination number: ____________ ARRL Coordination number: _____________


Antenna & Power Information

Antenna Gain: ______ dB Omni Or Directional: _____ Bearing Of Ant (if directional) _______

Power To Antenna: ___________Watts E.R.P. In Watts: ___________________

Access Mode

____(O) Open _____(C) Closed ____(PL) CTCSS Freq.____ DTMF (T) ___ Digital (Y) ______

Do you want this Repeater listed in the ARRL Directory? Yes _____ No _____

Do you want your PL Tone/DTMF Access sequence Published? Yes_____ No _____


System Features

A= Auto patch CA= Closed Patch DS= Dual Squelch E= Emergency Power L= Linked P= Portable System PKT= Digital Packet Capability R/r = RACES

A/a = ARES X= Wide Area (requires Quadrant App) Y= RTTY/ASCII

z/Z= Direct Access To Police (911) WX = Weather Net

Your Features: ___________________________________________


Trustee Information

Name: _________________________________________Call sign: ______________________

Address: ________________ _______________ City: __________________State: ______

Zip Code: ________Day Phone (___)__________ Night (____)_________________

Email Address: ___________________________________________________________


I want to receive the MARC Newsletter by: Email Only ________ Regular Mail only _________


I certify that I have read and agree to abide by the MARC Standards and that the statements above are true, complete and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.

Signature: __________________________________________ Date: __________________






This form explains how to fill out the MARC TDS form. It does not cover every box/line. This is to be filed only by a licensed amateur radio operator. The person filling out this form should be the Trustee of the repeater; the trustee normally is the control operator and has sole responsibility for all correspondence with the MARC.

This form must be complete and all appropriate boxes checked.



I Check New Coordination for a frequency not currently assigned to you or when requesting an additional link frequency, to change location, ERP, antenna height, or any other operation that will change the technical parameters of the system. Explain the modification desired in the Comments area.

2. Check Modify Existing Coordination for a change in call sign, Trustee, access mode or system features.

3. Check Renewal Update when making the required two-year update of the MARC inc. files


SYSTEM TYPE: Check only one box in this section, Use an individual form for each component such as a transmitter, link, system, or remote receivers.



1. For a New Coordination, indicate the desired band only.

All other actions require entering coordinated frequency data.


SYSTEM STATUS: Proposed if new coordination or when modifying existing coordination.

Will Be On By and enter date if system has been off for some reason. All other boxes in this section are self explanatory. Return to Freq. Pool if you no longer need your currently assigned frequency.


SPONSORSHIP: The sponsor is the actual holder of the coordination. Enter sponsor name, club or organization.



1. Geographic Area Served Please use the 4 quadrant indicator NE, NW, SE, SW given 1-75, US-27, & US-127 as the north/south line and 46 as the east/west line.

2. Note Location of Receiver if different from the transmitter location,

Coordinates provide the Latitude and Longitude to nearest second. (Required) Entries with double zeros in the seconds position are not acceptable. The AMSL and COORDINATES are derived from a USGS 7 2 minute quadrangle map or GPS device.

Exact Location: this is the address where the repeater is located.


ANTENNA & POWER INFORMATION: Please note the Power to Antenna does not refer to transmit power out of the transmitter, but to the actual power that reaches the feed point of the antenna, there are significant power losses in duplexers


TRUSTEE INFORMATION: Enter name and call sign of individual in control of the repeater.

Station Call is the call sign on the repeater ID.




For further information please visit our web site at http://www.qsl.net/miarc

Or email us at miarc@yahoogroups.com



Mailing Address



P.O.Box 463148

Mt. Clemens, MI 48046