February 2002


WEB SITE: http://www.qsl.net/miarc                e-mail: miarc@yahoogroups.com


A short note from the Prez………..


Greetings one and all.  First of all, I would like to bring up a very important topic – Dues. Yes, they are past due if you have not paid them by now.  Please get them in, as soon as possible, if you have not done so already.  Please send them to:

Kelly F. Karpp, KB8RWG
MARC Treasurer
PO Box 127
Oscoda, MI  48750


Concerning the TDS’s. Please make sure that ALL of the fields are filled in and correct. It takes a lot of Volunteered hours to go through each TDS that comes in.


The March 3rd meeting will be held in Saginaw. Location and directions else where in this newsletter. As usual, the meeting will start promptly at 1:00PM


At this time, I would like to thank Joel Goldberg for the time that he has put into the MARC Board. Good luck in the future to you and Alice.


The June meeting will be held in conjunction with the IRA Hamfest, in Hudsonville, MI on the 1st. Come on out to the Hamfest, and then join us in the meeting.


If anyone has any questions, you can reach the Board via of the website, or my phone number is 586-465-7126. For those of making the meeting on the March 3rd, I’ll see you there.


Dennis, W8DFG



PS. There was a vote at the last meeting about a change in the bylaws. There was a motion made to decrease the dues. Please see the December minutes for further info.



Database Manager / Webmaster’s Corner 


The past quarter has seen a busy to say the least.  I produced three updates of the web site Repeater Directory in addition to updates to the Meetings and Newsletter pages.  I submitted MARC data to the ARRL for the 2002 ARRL repeater directory.  The submit process took more time this year because the ARRL changed to a new data file format, so I had to write and test a new extract program.


The latest Repeater Directory shows that of the 396 repeaters listed, 38.6% have a Renewal Update TDS due. I have processed 113 renewal TDS’s since mid November.  Our renewal backlog was eliminated by the end of 2001.  I as of February 11, 2002 I have 0 renewal TDS’s in the processing queue. 


I created a website update log for 2002.  You can get to the page by clicking on the Last Update 02/20/2002 link in the upper left corner of the MARC home page.  This link always reflects the latest website change.


I’ve started work on revising the TDS form to make more fields mandatory, like frequency, call sign, latitude and longitude seconds, etc., etc.  Incomplete forms add more time to processing.  We are trying to limit the number of TDS’s that have to be resubmitted because of incomplete data.  There also may be additional fields to track more closely with ARRL Repeater Directory notes data.  The MARC board will review and approve the revised TDS form.  MARC members will be notified when the new form will be implemented. 


For those members that will be submitting TDS forms:  Please fill out your forms completely.  Incomplete or illegible forms will be returned.  Please provide your repeater’s street address or the nearest crossroads.  If you are recording changes, mention them in the comments area of the online form or attach a note to the paper TDS.  As always, accurate and legible TDS forms make processing updates less time consuming.


I’ve logged 147 hours on MARC activities since mid November 2001.


Dave Johnson, WD8DJB


MARC Inc. Minutes of the December 2,2001 Meeting   


The December meeting of MARC INC. was held at the Pontiac E.O.C. and was called to order by President Dennis Gaboury W8DFG at 1:01pm. The Board members present were President Gaboury, Past Treasurer Goldberg W8HIU, Treasurer Kelly Karpp KB8RWG, Data Base Manager Dave Johnson WD8DJB, Frequency Coordinator Wallace Murray KE8HR, Director Bill Kelley KC8DGB, and Secretary Ron Huber N8JAZ.


A motion to accept the minutes as printed was made by Kelly Karpp, and supported by Bill Kelley. The Motion carried. The Audit Committee recommended that the Treasurer keep the groups’ financial records in a program such as Quicken. Kelly Karpp read the Treasurer’s Report and it showed $4,695.42 on the Group’s account.


Copies of the Bylaws were handed out to the board. The first reading will be at the March meeting in Saginaw.


Wallace Murray, the Coordinator reported that one 10 meter, two 6 meter, five 2 meter, one 220 meter, and twelve 440 meter systems were awaiting checking out. The most often missed item is the coordinates to the nearest SECOND. The next most frequently missed item on the TDS was miscalculation of ERP of antenna gain. These errors require large amounts of time spent on investigation before the TDS can be approved.


Dave Johnson, Database Coordinator processed 51 renewals, 28 new co ordinations and received 18 more today. Each form requires one hour per coordination.


Kelly Karpp made a motion to establish a bank account at Northland Area Federal Credit Union. Joel Goldberg W8HIU supported the motion. The motion carried.  Kelly Karpp made a motion to reduce the Membership dues from $15 to $10 and associates from $7.50 to $5. This motion was recommended because of the surplus in our bank account from using electronic filing and emailing the newsletters.  Wallace Murray supported it and the motion carried.  Dave Johnson suggested we support the QSL NET with a $20 donation annually. Ron Gordon W8YUC made the motion and was supported by Kelly Karpp. The motion carried.


Joel Goldberg W8HIU remarked that he enjoyed his tenure on the MARC Board. He also commented on the fine job being done on the newsletter. He recommended that when paying annual dues include which year being paid for, call sign, and print legibly.


A phone or access code was discussed for quadrant class repeaters.


The next meeting will be held March 3, 2002 in Saginaw at 1 pm.


Kelly Karpp made a motion to adjourn which Wallace Murray seconded. The motion passed. The meeting adjourned at 1:45pm


Respectfully Submitted

Ron Huber



Treasurer’s Report


Check was received from Joel closing the Oakland County C.U. account for
$4745.42 Deposited in the Northland Area Federal Credit Union
$508.30 checking       $4237.12 savings
$38.30 expenses
$190.00 income Dues
$ 5.92 income interest
Current Balance

$520.13 checking       $4352.91 savings 

$30.00 cash on hand
Total Funds as of 02-18-02  $4903.04

Kelly Karpp, KB8RWG



Directions to March 3, 2002 Meeting in Saginaw

Take I-75 to Saginaw. Take East M-46 Exit. Go 4 and 4/10ths miles east to Blumfield Township Fire station. It is on the right hand side of M-46.



Marc Board of Directors



Dennis Gaboury


P.O. Box 463148

Mt. Clemens, MI 48046

Vice President

Jim Maike



977 E. 8th St.   Box 27

White Cloud, MI  49349


Ron Huber


7135 Bradley Rd.

Saginaw, MI 48601


Kelly F. Karpp


PO Box 127

Oscoda, MI  48750


Ron Gordon


7172 Sharp Rd.

Swartz Creek, MI  48473


Bill Kelly


17158 Hans Dr.

Fraser, MI 48026



Wallace Murray


1403 S. Hill Rd.

Milford, MI 48381

Database Manager

Dave Johnson


2266 E. Vermontville Hwy

Charlotte, MI 48813


  Mailing Address:

  MARC Inc.

  P.O. Box 463148

  Mt. Clemens, MI 48046



Membership Form




Name: _________________________________Call Sign: ____________________________

Address: __________________________________________

City: ________________________ State: _______________ Zip: _________________ Email: ________________________________

Day Phone: (___)______________________

Night Phone: (___)_________________________

Club or Repeater Affiliation: ___________________________________________________

Check One [  ] Full Member ($15)   [  ] Associate Member ($7.50)

Newsletter [] Email or [  ] U.S. Mail.


Make checks out to MARC Inc.

Send to Kelly F. Karpp, KB8RWG, PO Box 127, Oscoda, MI  48750

Please remember to include Call sign and Year Paying for on Check

Please Remember to notify us of all email, USP address and area code / telephone number changes.



Michigan Area Repeater Council Technical Data Sheet

Action Requested

New Coordination___ Reassignment ___ Modify Existing Coordination___ Renewal Update___

System Type

               _____ Repeater          _____ One Way Link      _____ Two Way Link       _____ Multi Location Link

Frequency Information

     Band: _______________ Output Freq.:____________   Input Freq.: __________ Control Freq.: __________

System Status

         In Operation: ______ Will Be On By: __________ Not Used (return to frequency pool) _______   

Sponsorship (Sponsor is the holder of the coordination)

        Sponsor: ____________________________ Trustee: _______________________

       Station Call: ___________ System Owner: ___________________________________________

System Information                                                                                                           Return Form To:

       City Identified With System: ___________________________________________ Wallace Murray

       Geographic Area Served: _____________________________________________ KE8HR 

         County (transmitter located): ________________________________________ 1403 S Hill Rd.                                                                              

       Repeater Address: ___________________________________________________ Milford, Mi.  48381

       Location Of Receiver If Different Than above _________________________________________________ 

       Coordinates To The Nearest Second: Latitude ________________Longitude_________________________

       Ground Elevation Above Sea Level (AMSL): ______________Ant Height Above Ground: ____________ 

       Height Above Average Terrain (HAAT): _____________________________________________________

       Date system was originally coordinated: ______/_______/_______

       Michigan Coordination number: ____________ ARRL Coordination number: _____________                                                                            

Antenna & Power Information

       Antenna Gain: ________ dB     Omni Or Directional: _______ Bearing Of Ant (if directional) __________                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

       Power To Antenna: _____________ Watts                                  E.R.P. In Watts: _____________________

Access Mode

______(O) Open  ______ (C) Closed  _____(PL) CTCSS Freq.________ DTMF (T) _____ Digital (Y) ______

Do you want this Repeater listed in the ARRL Directory? Yes _____ No _____

Do you want your PL Tone/DTMF Access sequence Published? Yes_____ No _____

System Features

       A= Auto patch      CA= Closed Patch     DS= Dual Squelch             E= Emergency Power           L= Linked

       P= Portable System         PKT= Digital Packet Capability         R/r = RACES          A/a = ARES

 X= Wide Area  (requires Quadrant App) Y= RTTY/ASCII z/Z= Direct Access To Police (911) WX = Weather Net

Your Features: _____________________________________________________________________________

Trustee Information

      Name: __________________________________________ Call sign: __________________________

      Address: _______________  ________________________ City: ____________________________

      State: ______ Zip Code: __________ Day Phone (___)____________ Night (____)_________________

      Email Address: __________________________________________________________________________

       I want to receive the MARC Newsletter by: Email Only ________ Regular Mail only _________



      I certify that I have read and agree to abide by the MARC Standards and that the statements

               above are true, complete and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.



    Signature: __________________________________________ Date: _____________________________





This form explains how to fill out the MARC TDS form. It does not cover every box/line. This is to be filed only by a licensed amateur radio operator. The person filling out this form should be the Trustee of the repeater; the trustee normally is the control operator and has sole responsibility for all correspondence with the MARC.

This form must be complete and all appropriate boxes checked.




I Check New Coordination for a frequency not currently assigned to you or when requesting an additional link frequency, to change location, ERP, antenna height, or any other operation that will change the technical parameters of the system. Explain the modification desired in the comments area.


2. Check Modify Existing Coordination for a change in call sign, Trustee, access mode or system features.


3. Check Renewal Update when making the required two‑year update of the MARC inc. files


SYSTEM TYPE: Check only one box in this section, Use an individual form for each component such as a transmitter, link, system, or remote receivers.



1. For a New Coordination, indicate the desired band only.

All other actions require entering coordinated frequency data.


SYSTEM STATUS: “Will be On By” enter date only if the system has been off‑line for some reason. “Proposed” is only for new coordinations. If system is coordinated and on the air use “ Operational”.


SPONSORSHIP: The sponsor is the actual holder of the coordination. Enter sponsor name, club or organization.


Trustees enter name and call sign of individual in control of the repeater.


Station Call is the call sign on the repeater ID.



1. Geographic Area Served Please use the 4 quadrant indicator NE, NW, SE, SW given 1‑75, US‑27, & US‑127 as the north/south line and 46 as the east/west line.


2. Note Location of Receiver if different from the transmitter location, Coordinates provide the Latitude and Longitude to nearest second. (Required) Entries with double zeros in the second’s position are not acceptable. The AMSL and COORDINATES are derived from a USGS 7 2 minute quadrangle map or GPS device.


Exact Location: this is the address where the repeater is located.


ANTENNA & POWER INFORMATION: Please note the Power to Antenna does not refer to transmit power out of the transmitter, but to the actual power that reaches the feed point of the antenna, there are significant power losses in duplexers