WEB SITE: http://www.qsl.net/miarc        e-mail: miarc@yahoogroups.com

May 2002


A short note from the Prez………..


As you can see, the June 1st meeting will be held on their grounds of the Hudsonville Swap. Hope to see a good turn out at this meeting. With not having to many issues to go over, the meeting should not be a long one. The meeting will start promptly at 1:00PM.


The September meeting will be our Annual meeting in Lansing on the 8th, due to the Labor Day weekend being the first weekend. At this meeting, there will be elections for the office of President, Secretary, and a Director position. A nominations committee will be formed to accept nominations. If you are interested in running for any of these positions please contact me. The ballot will be published in the next newsletter.


At the last meeting in Saginaw, a change was made to the By-Laws concerning our dues. By majority vote of those present, the dues are now $10.00 for Full Membership, and $5.00 for Supporting Membership. So, if you haven’t paid your dues for this year, now is the time to get them in.


During the past year and a half, we have tried to maintain an advanced list of places on were the meetings would be. At the present time, we do not have a site for our December meeting. If you would like to host that meeting, please contact us as soon as possible.


If anyone has any questions, you can reach the Board via of the website, or my phone number is 586-465-7126. For those of making the meeting on the June 1st, I’ll see you there.


Dennis, W8DFG



Database Manager / Webmaster’s Corner   

Activity during the past quarter has slowed down a bit.  I produced two updates of the web site Repeater Directory in addition to updates to the Meetings and Newsletter pages.  


The latest Repeater Directory shows that of the 399 repeaters listed, 34% have a Renewal Update TDS due. I have processed 28 renewal TDS’s since March. 


For those members that will be submitting TDS forms:  Please fill out your forms completely.  Incomplete or illegible forms will be returned.  Please provide your repeater’s street address or the nearest crossroads.  If you are recording changes, mention them in the comments area of the online form or attach a note to the paper TDS.  As always, accurate and legible TDS forms make processing updates less time consuming.


I’ve logged 19 hours on MARC activities since March. 


Dave Johnson, WD8DJB


Minutes of the Marc Inc. March 3, 2002 Meeting


President Gaboury, W8DFG at 1 pm called the March 2002 meeting of M.A.R.C. INC. to order at Blumfield Township Fire station #2. Introductions followed. Twelve people were present. The minutes of the December 2,2001 meeting were amended to include a change in the bylaws regarding a reduction in the dues. Wallace Murray, KE8HR made a motion to accept the amended minutes. Ron Gordon, W8YUC, supported the motion. The motion carried.

 Kelly Karpp, KB8RWG, read the Treasurer’s report. It showed a savings balance of $4427.91, a checking balance of $590.13, and a total of $5018.04. The previous savings balance was $4745.42, interest accrued was $5.92, dues received totaled $305.00 for a total of $5056.34.  Expenses were checks $8.30,QSL Net $20.00, State Of Michigan $10.00 for a total of $38.30. Wallace Murray made a motion to accept the Treasurer’s Report, which was seconded by Bruce Winchell, N8UT, and the motion carried.

            The proposed changes to the bylaws were presented to the group. The bylaws changes regarding the dues reduction had no effective date. After discussion a consensus

was reached, and the change will go into effect March 3,2002.

The matter of exchanging the Durand 145.29 frequency with the 147.34 Flint frequency was discussed. The change was suggested to minimize the interference with Big Rapids and Gaylord. It was decided that Flint and Durand were too close to make the exchange.

Dave Johnson, Database Manager, WD8DJB, stated the ARRL directory has been sent in now by quadrant and by city alphabetically. 

The motion to adjourn the meeting was made by Kelly and supported by Wallace. The meeting adjourned at 2:13 pm.

The next meeting will be held on Saturday June 1,2002 at 1 pm at the I.R.A. swap in Hudsonville.


Respectfully submitted,

Ron Huber, N8JAZ, Secretary


Marc Board of Directors



Dennis Gaboury


P.O. Box 463148

Mt. Clemens, MI 48046

Vice President

Jim Maike



977 E. 8th St.   Box 27

White Cloud, MI  49349


Ron Huber


7135 Bradley Rd.

Saginaw, MI 48601


Kelly F. Karpp


PO Box 127

Oscoda, MI  48750


Ron Gordon


7172 Sharp Rd.

Swartz Creek, MI  48473


Bill Kelly


17158 Hans Dr.

Fraser, MI 48026




Wallace Murray


1403 S. Hill Rd.

Milford, MI 48381

Database Manager

Dave Johnson


2266 E. Vermontville Hwy

Charlotte, MI 48813



Coming From:


NORTH of Grand Rapids:

South on US131 to I-196 (Ford Freeway)

I-196 West to Hudsonville exit, EXIT 62, (32nd Ave)

North on 32nd to New Holland St.

West (left) on New Holland 1/2 mile to 36th Ave.

North (right) on 36th, across Chicago Drive and RR Tracks to Grant ST

West (left) on Grant to Park Ave.

South (right) on Park to Fairgrounds entrance.


EAST of Grand Rapids:

West on I-96 to I-196

I-196 West to Hudsonville exit, EXIT 62, (32nd Ave)

North on 32nd to New Holland St.

West (left) on New Holland 1/2 mile to 36th Ave.

North (right) on 36th, across Chicago Drive and RR Tracks to Grant ST

West (left) on Grant to Park Ave.

South (left) on Park to Fairgrounds entrance.


SOUTH of Grand Rapids (Kalamazoo area)

North on US131 to EXIT 74 (84th St.)

West on 84th 10 miles to 32nd Ave.

North on 32nd under I-196 freeway to New Holland St.

West (left) on New Holland 1/2 mile to 36th Ave.

North (right) on 36th, across Chicago Drive and RR Tracks to Grant ST

West (left) on Grant to Park Ave.

South (left) on Park to Fairgrounds entrance.


SOUTHWEST of Grand Rapids (Holland/Zeeland)

I-196 North (east) to Hudsonville exit, EXIT 62, (32nd Ave)

North on 32nd to New Holland St.

West (left) on New Holland 1/2 mile to 36th Ave.

North (right) on 36th, across Chicago Drive and RR Tracks to Grant ST

West (left) on Grant to Park Ave.

South (left) on Park to Fairgrounds entrance.

----- OR ----

Chicago Drive east to 40th Ave.

North (left) on 40th Ave to Grant

East (right) on Grant to Park Ave.

South (right) on Park to Fairgrounds entrance.


NORTHWEST of Grand Rapids (Grand Haven/Muskegon)

US31 south to Port Sheldon

East (left) on Port Sheldon to 40th Ave

South (right) on 40th to Grant

East (right) on Grant to Park Ave.






Member ship Form

Name: ___________________________Call Sign: _______________________

Address: __________________________________________

City: _____________________ State: _____________ Zip: _______________

Email: ________________________________

Day Phone: (___)________________Night Phone: (___)___________________

Club or Repeater Affiliation: ________________________________________

Check One [  ] Full Member ($10)   [  ] Associate Member ($5)

Newsletter Delivery [  ] Email or [  ] U.S. Mail.

Make checks out to MARC Inc.

Send to Kelly F. Karpp, KB8RWG, PO Box 127, Oscoda, MI  48750

Please remember to include Call sign and Year Paying for on Check



Please inform us of all changes in mail or e-mail address, area code, or telephone number




Mailing Address


P.O. Box 463148

Mt Clemens, MI 48046




Michigan Area Repeater Council Technical Data Sheet

Action Requested

New Coordination___ Reassignment ___ Modify Existing Coordination___ Renewal Update___

System Type

               _____ Repeater          _____ One Way Link      _____ Two Way Link       _____ Multi Location Link

Frequency Information

     Band: _______________ Output Freq.:____________   Input Freq.: __________ Control Freq.: __________

System Status

         In Operation: ______ Will Be On By: __________ Not Used (return to frequency pool) _______   

Sponsorship (Sponsor is the holder of the coordination)

        Sponsor: ____________________________ Trustee: _______________________

       Station Call: ___________ System Owner: ___________________________________________

System Information                                                                                                           Return Form To:

       City Identified With System: ___________________________________________ Wallace Murray

       Geographic Area Served: _____________________________________________ KE8HR 

         County (transmitter located): ________________________________________ 1403 S Hill Rd.                                                                               

       Repeater Address: ___________________________________________________ Milford, Mi.  48381

       Location Of Receiver If Different Than above _________________________________________________ 

       Coordinates To The Nearest Second: Latitude ________________Longitude_________________________

       Ground Elevation Above Sea Level (AMSL): ______________Ant Height Above Ground: ____________ 

       Height Above Average Terrain (HAAT): _____________________________________________________

       Date system was originally coordinated: ______/_______/_______

       Michigan Coordination number: ____________ ARRL Coordination number: _____________                                                                            

Antenna & Power Information

       Antenna Gain: ________ dB     Omni Or Directional: _______ Bearing Of Ant (if directional) __________                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

       Power To Antenna: _____________ Watts                                  E.R.P. In Watts: _____________________

Access Mode

______(O) Open  ______ (C) Closed  _____(PL) CTCSS Freq.________ DTMF (T) _____ Digital (Y) ______

Do you want this Repeater listed in the ARRL Directory? Yes _____ No _____

Do you want your PL Tone/DTMF Access sequence Published? Yes_____ No _____

System Features

       A= Auto patch      CA= Closed Patch     DS= Dual Squelch             E= Emergency Power           L= Linked

       P= Portable System         PKT= Digital Packet Capability         R/r = RACES          A/a = ARES

 X= Wide Area  (requires Quadrant App) Y= RTTY/ASCII z/Z= Direct Access To Police (911) WX = Weather Net

Your Features: _____________________________________________________________________________

Trustee Information

      Name: __________________________________________ Call sign: __________________________

      Address: _______________  ________________________ City: ____________________________

      State: ______ Zip Code: __________ Day Phone (___)____________ Night (____)_________________

      Email Address: __________________________________________________________________________

       I want to receive the MARC Newsletter by: Email Only ________ Regular Mail only _________



      I certify that I have read and agree to abide by the MARC Standards and that the statements

               above are true, complete and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.



    Signature: __________________________________________ Date: _____________________________





This form explains how to fill out the MARC TDS form. It does not cover every box/line. This is to be filed only by a licensed amateur radio operator. The person filling out this form should be the Trustee of the repeater; the trustee normally is the control operator and has sole responsibility for all correspondence with the MARC.

This form must be complete and all appropriate boxes checked.




I Check New Coordination for a frequency not currently assigned to you or when requesting an additional link frequency, to change location, ERP, antenna height, or any other operation that will change the technical parameters of the system. Explain the modification desired in the comments area.


2. Check Modify Existing Coordination for a change in call sign, Trustee, access mode or system features.


3. Check Renewal Update when making the required two‑year update of the MARC inc. files


SYSTEM TYPE: Check only one box in this section, Use an individual form for each component such as a transmitter, link, system, or remote receivers.



1. For a New Coordination, indicate the desired band only.

All other actions require entering coordinated frequency data.


SYSTEM STATUS: “Will be On By” enter date only if the system has been off‑line for some reason. “Proposed” is only for new coordinations. If system is coordinated and on the air use “ Operational”.


SPONSORSHIP: The sponsor is the actual holder of the coordination. Enter sponsor name, club or organization.


Trustees enter name and call sign of individual in control of the repeater.


Station Call is the call sign on the repeater ID.



1. Geographic Area Served Please use the 4 quadrant indicator NE, NW, SE, SW given 1‑75, US‑27, & US‑127 as the north/south line and 46 as the east/west line.


2. Note Location of Receiver if different from the transmitter location, Coordinates provide the Latitude and Longitude to nearest second. (Required) Entries with double zeros in the second’s position are not acceptable. The AMSL and COORDINATES are derived from a USGS 7 2 minute quadrangle map or GPS device.


Exact Location: this is the address where the repeater is located.


ANTENNA & POWER INFORMATION: Please note the Power to Antenna does not refer to transmit power out of the transmitter, but to the actual power that reaches the feed point of the antenna, there are significant power losses in duplexers